January 26, 2012, 2:38 pm
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Please respond to the question: Is a picture worth a 1000 words?
Answer in complete sentences and cite specific examples from the material you have read and viewed (Kennedy, Steinbeck, Dorthea Lange photos). Please also respond to at least one of your peer’s comments.
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According to David Kennedy, “no fiction, not even John Steinbeck’s melodramatic Grapes of Wrath later in the Depression decade, could do full justice to the desolate facts of American rural life”(192). Therefore, I can interpret that Kennedy would answer this question with a simple yes. In his opinion, the only way to truly understand the horrors of the Depression era are through a person’s eyes. Words in books won’t do the trick for Kennedy.
Comment by Adam K January 29, 2012 @ 10:38 pmA part of me agrees with Kennedy and another part doesn’t. It is true that a certain emotion can be seen in a picture. A look in someone’s eye can tell more about how that person is feeling than any amount of words can. However, sometimes words are necessary to describe the extent of a certain situation. Take Grapes of Wrath as an example. One of the most resounding images of the first 11 chapters is that of the tractors in the fields. Steinbeck explains that the tractors came like “great crawlers moving like insects, having the incredible strength of insects”(35). He furthers his description saying the tractors were “raping methodically, raping without passion”(36). Sometimes, words are necessary to beef up an image in the reader’s mind as even more dramatic. A picture of these tractors would not do justice what Steinbeck is trying to get across to his reader.
Additionally, I must take into account any bias. It was disturbing to find out that Dorothea Lange staged her pictures. I have no doubt that the people in her photos were struggling and in despair, but to me the integrity of each photo is hurt. A person looking at a picture cannot be sure of the situation and this means that pictures must sometimes be taken with a grain of salt.
In terms of books, a bias exists as well. The author gets to decide what the reader reads or ‘sees’. The author has the ability to paint the reader’s images through his words. The reader doesn’t come to any conclusions alone. There is a clear bias when it comes to words.
All in all, I do think a picture is worth 1000 words. But in certain situations I would take the 1000 words over the picture.
I don’t know if pictures are worth 1,000 words or 600 words, but I think that the answer to this question is that pictures and words each serve a different purpose. If the question is which was more effective in portraying the despair felt by those who lived during The Great Depression, Dorothea Lange’s images of dirty, barefoot, emaciated children would win. Short phrases can stick in the mind, but most people are visual learners, and therefore would recall one of Dorothea Lange’s photos more quickly than a detailed description by Kennedy. Dorothea Lange’s photos (while the positions may have been staged) show the expressions of genuine sadness behind the faces of her subjects, and this is useful in making The Depression real for those of us who weren’t present. However, photographs can’t explain why all of these people are so sad or why the farms are barren. Yes, the children are probably sad because they have no clothes nor food and the farm is barren because no plants would grow, but we can’t really get to the root of the circumstances without some background. I think Kennedy and Steinbeck are much more useful when we want an explanation. Kennedy goes more deeply into the issue of the farming crisis and the various legislative attempts to raise prices, and Steinbeck so far has delved into the problem of efficient technology kicking tenants off of the land. Photos catch your eye, and writing puts the photos in context.
Comment by Rebecca Glanzer January 29, 2012 @ 11:05 pmAdam, about the staging of the photos, I don’t think it was such a big deal, because most of them look like portraits. Maybe the subjects are not at their usual farming posts doing their farm jobs, but all of their expressions seem genuine, and I think the expressions are what is most effective about the pictures.
Comment by Rebecca Glanzer January 29, 2012 @ 11:14 pmA picture may be worth 1,000 words, but they might not be the right words that are needed. Like Becca said, a photo doesn’t give you the background information that one might need. For instance, in Dorthea Lange’s photo of the mother staring off with her children, it would have been nice to know her story besides for just the picture. What is she looking at? Who is she? These are things we talked about in class but that are not evident from just looking at the picture. While reading Grapes of Wrath, the reader gets such a good visual of just how desolate and dusty everything is. The reader can visualize perfectly what the scenery looks like, and what the characters look like. I think it’s harder to visualize the words that would go with a picture. With a written description, it’s much easier to imagine what times were like in the 1930′s. With just Dorthea Lange’s photos, all we can really do is make assumptions. We can make 1,000 words of assumption, though. In order to determine if a picture is worth 1,000 words, I think we need to give weight to what a 1,000 words means. What does it even mean to say a picture is worth 1,000 words? I’m not really sure about this. Maybe someone else has a good answer for me.
Comment by julie435367Julie January 30, 2012 @ 2:42 amBecca, I completely agree with you. Dorthea Lange’s photos and writings like the pieces done by Kennedy and Steinbeck work together very well. On one hand, we have the visual, which is important to stimulate a person, but we also have the writings, which puts the photo into context and gives the reader a better overview of what was going on at the time.
Comment by julie435367Julie January 30, 2012 @ 2:44 amI don’t think a picture can ever truly capture what the Great Depression was like to those who didn’t experience it. I think it’s the type of “event” that you had to experience first hand, and while certain pictures may express a “wow-factor” or make you think, “Oh god!”, I don’t believe that a picture is worth 1000 words. I mean, maybe certain pictures are worth like 800, but to me, I have to have words AND a picture to get the full effect. This is why I appreciate Dorothea Lange’s photos, because they give us descriptions along with the photos, which helps put things into a better context. Steinbeck’s novel, on the other hand, kind of puts me to sleep with just descriptions upon descriptions. I mean, I personally am just a very visual-learning type of person, so thats why I like Dorothea Lange’s photos. But I don’t think they’re worth a 1,000 words because we weren’t there when the photos were taken. Just seeing a photo is nice to look at, but a photo + 1,000 words says a lot more, literally.
Comment by hannah January 30, 2012 @ 8:14 pmJulie, I completely agree with you about making assumptions about photos without descriptions. Without a description, we assume what the person is like and how they got the way they are. that’s why I think having a caption for a photo is useful, even if it’s just a line about where the photo is taken place, or how the person lost all of their money.
Comment by hannah January 30, 2012 @ 8:17 pmTo ADAM;
I couldn’t agree more with your interpretation. Your opinion regarding Dorothea Lange’s photos as well as the examples you chose from Grape’s of Wrath mirrored my exact thoughts. I personally wasn’t ever initially affected by Lange’s images and to find out they were staged made it even worse. Candid photos are more raw and gritty. Lange would receive more respect for her photos if she caught these deserted people in their natural states rather than had them fabricate their poses and perhaps even their expressions. For me, her photos would have held more integrity if she truly acted the part of a bystander. When we see people in dire situations in real life, we don’t tell them to frown a certain way or look off longingly in the distance. Their REAL dispositions are enough to get their point across. For me, Lange hurt her cause by contaminating her “specimen”.
Comment by Gianni L. January 30, 2012 @ 9:37 pmI understand what you are saying (to Gianni and Adam) but I think the purpose of her photos wasn’t to be particularly artsy or even capture people in action. She was sent out to see what life was like, and I think her pictures do that perfectly. She shows how desolate the land was and how Spartan the clothes and food and shelter were of the people living on the land. The positions of the people are less important than the dirt on their clothes and the shoes not on their feet.
Comment by Rebecca Glanzer January 30, 2012 @ 10:01 pmTo answer the question…firstly, I dislike this expression because it holds subjective validity compared to most other popular idioms. Whether this expression holds “true” is entirely dependent upon the situation and the person(s) viewing said image(s). In the specific case of the Depression, I prefer Steinbeck and Kennedy’s work over that of Lange. Steinbeck is provocative, engaging and his style of writing and voices of each character mimic the actual times. The vernacular makes me feel as though I’m really there watching the farmers, the displaced, the frustrated truly express themselves. With Kennedy, I get the hard facts and historical context from a variety of reliable first hand and secondary sources. From Lange, I just get tainted images in black and white. They each serve their purpose in inducing a certain reaction from the reader/viewer. If Lange had not posed her subjects, I would hold her work to equal and comparable standing to that of Steinbeck and Kennedy. Granted both these men naturally and subconciously inject their own personal views of The Depression by way of their style of writing, to me, they hold more integrity. From Kennedy’s facts regarding the dust bowl, sod busters, depreciating crop prices, etc. all on a concrete timeline we can see how the hard times for the farmers slowly began to unfold up until and throughout the Depression. Steinbeck gives more of a civilian perspective rather than that of a historian. He shows the real ineffable concerns of the financially burdened and estranged from this time period. My favorite part from this reading is when Steinbeck describes the “monster” or the banks that was supposedly to blame for everyone’s hardships. I loved how he described the lost men, the heads of households who always knew what to do, except not now as they could do nothing from stopping the banks from taking their land and the tractors from demolishing their homes. “Men made it [the banks], but they can’t control it” (33). The financial crisis was bigger than these mens’ egos. They couldn’t fix their situations by growing more crops or shooting down the tractors from taking what was theirs. They were helpless. To me, in chapter 5 alone, Steinbeck says all for the feelings during that time. I could be much more affected personally by him than Lange’s images any day.
Comment by Gianni L. January 30, 2012 @ 10:02 pmAll pieces of art can be interpreted differently. The true beauty of photography is being able to capture any moment in time, and having different individuals interpret and take away what they can from the photo. A good literary author builds and develops an image in the reader’s mind, which adds visualization to the words. These pictures that we interpret in our mind help shape how situations are perceived. Therefore, a picture can be worth 1000 words.
Comment by William January 30, 2012 @ 10:03 pmSteinbeck is an author that is capable of helping a reader interpret his words with an image. In Chapter 7, Steinbeck describes “garages with blazoned signs – Used Cars, Good Used Cars. Cheap transportation, three trailers, ’27 Ford, clean…Come in and look. Used Cars. No overhead”(61). Instantly, this passage brings forth an image that many people can relate to: a used car parking lot with signs pleading for people to come in. After placing this in context with the time period, one could build many images of the situation. There can be a Used Car parking lot full of cars due to desperate people selling their cars. There can also be a Used Car parking lot not selling any cars, which makes the owners, urge buyers to actually buy. This image can tell a lot about the time period, and gives the reader the opportunity to feel the moment, to get a glimpse of what society would have been like at that moment.
Dorthea Lange’s photographs also strongly demonstrate a feeling of the Great Depression. Her photos give off the feeling of sadness, poverty, and struggle, but in a few pictures, happiness can also be interpreted. The picture of the man smirking while smoking the pipe can give off the emotion of happiness due to his facial expression, but then again the image of his wife in the background gives off sadness due to her weary eyes. Viewers can also see the extreme poverty that goes on, but then again a viewer can interpret the strong bond that the families have or the togetherness they demonstrated during this time of the depression. The time these photos were taken can either demonstrate happiness or sadness depending on the mood of the photo or how the photos were actually taken.
“Dorothea Lange’s photos (while the positions may have been staged) show the expressions of genuine sadness behind the faces of her subjects, and this is useful in making The Depression real for those of us who weren’t present.”
I slightly agree with Rebecca here in the sense that Lange’s photos do give viewers the opportunity of getting a real view of the Great Depression, however, I believe that it is nearly impossible to have something staged and for it to be genuine. A photo’s objective is to capture a moment, and although it may capture a facial expression, the viewers lose the body language of the people who experienced The Depression. The body language is extremely important, because in the staged photos, some people sit up tall and demonstrate pride, whereas in non-staged photos, the people captured are tired and defeated. Lange’s photographs present a real view of the surface of The Depression and how people looked, however, it fails to capture the true environment and the spirit of everyone. In relation to the question, this can give viewers a somewhat misrepresented view of the photo, which can give a photo 1000 words.
Comment by William January 30, 2012 @ 10:16 pmFirst we have to determine what we mean by “worth.” Do we mean by the adage, “a picture is worth a 1,000 words,” that the words and the photograph make us feel the same way emotionally? Do we mean that we are able to picture a photograph given a thousand words describing that same photograph? Do we mean that we are able to get the same amount of information from a photograph as we are from a 1,000 words? Looking at a picture, a person might be able to gain the same insight, if not more than he or she would have after having read a paragraph about the same subject matter. However, other times I think photographs leave more up to interpretation than do words, not to say that words are always straight forward.
Comment by Anonymous January 30, 2012 @ 11:07 pmIn class we viewed photographs by Dorothea Lange of the parched land in the midwest in which we are able to see the dust and land raked up by tractors. In one glimpse of Lange’s photo we are able to see what Steinbeck takes the first couple of pages in The Grapes of Wrath to describe—”Every moving thing lifted the dust into the air: a walking man lifted a thin layer as high as his waist, and a wagon lifted the dust as high as the fence tops… the dust was long in settling back again” (2, The Grapes of Wrath). In this case Lange’s photos seem to tell the same story as do Steinbeck’s words, albeit perhaps more succinctly, if that word can be applied to photography. Lange’s photos are also very telling of peoples’ emotions, conveying peoples’ exhausted mood at the time as well as the overall depressing atmosphere of the country. However, they cannot include, as Rebecca and Julie have said, to the same extent, as can the excerpt we read from Kennedy’s Freedom From Fear, the details and statistics of the Great Depression.
N.B. Ms. Fogarty and Dr. Pollock, the anonymous post is mine.
In response to Gianni and Adam:
I agree with both of you that I would hold Lange’s photograph’s in higher standing had she not posed them. I would also agree that posing the subjects of the photographs adds a degree of selectivity and untruth, or perhaps premeditation to the photographs which somehow diminishes their credibility (for me personally) and therefore their effect on me. I too really enjoy the manner in which Steinbeck uses vernacular to make his story authentic. However, I would remind people that while photography is the subjective/personal view of the photographer, writing is also the subjective/personal view of the author. Lange chooses what we see and Steinbeck, what we read. Both can be as selective or nonselective as they desire, and therefore can manipulate in their own way, what we, as reader or viewer, experience. Therefore, I think it’s impossible to conclude that The Grapes of Wrath has more integrity than Lange’s photos.
Comment by esouthwick January 30, 2012 @ 11:27 pmI have to agree with Becca when she says that pictures and words serve two different purposes. But I would like to go further into that. It always depends on the photo and it depends on the writing.
Comment by Hana January 31, 2012 @ 1:12 amCompare two photos that Dorothea Lange took: the mother looking off to the distance with an empty bowl in front of her and the house with a windmill standing in the middle of a desolate field.
They tell you two different stories. When you look at the photo of the mother, it is automatically assumed that she has had a hard time, and just by looking into her eyes and the plate in front of her, you know that she has lived a hard. But you still want to know more. It is not uncommon for poses such as these to be fake. Photographers ask for their “models” to take certain positions in order to emphasize and dramatize the actions taking place in the photo.
The photo with the house in the field gives you one word: emptiness. There is absolutely nothing more to tell and you don’t need to ask anymore questions. You don’t need to know where this house is from or who lived here. I believe that this image describes the hard times that everyone went through, and it shows that in no way was this building tampered with by the photographer. (In short, what I am trying to get across with the photo analogy is that understanding the story of a picture depends highly on what picture you are getting your story from).
Now, the writing in Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath was detailed in both a positive and negative way.
Beginning with the negative way, it was filled with adjective after adjective, detail after detail, when certain images (such as Casy and Joad sitting underneath a tree) did not need so much explanation.
However something that Steinbeck was able to integrate into his story were the feelings of the people and what they felt during this depression. If it was exaggerated so be it, but not by much. His words told a better story than some of Lange’s photos.
Emily:
I agree with with when you say that it is impossible to conclude that The Grapes of Wrath has more integrity than Lange’s photos. As I said in my initial post, “There is a clear bias when it comes to words”, meaning Steinbeck in a sense ‘stages’ things as well. But for me, the difference is it is still up to the reader to form the image in their mind. With a photo, everything is in front of you. Words leave things up for more interpretation, even though the author chooses what words to use.
Comment by Adam K January 31, 2012 @ 1:12 amTo Emily Southwick:
I agree with you when you say that the question can be interpreted in many different ways? And in those many different ways, we could effectively begin an exploration of what we as readers and “artists” view as a good enough example of what life was like during the great depression. I also understand when you say that photographs can be left to interpretation more so than writing…[even though those words are chosen by a writer, they can also be interpreted by the reader, for we each have our own imagination and make up our own worlds to the words that we read.]
Comment by Hana January 31, 2012 @ 1:23 amI have to agree with Gianni and say that I don’t really like this expression either. As I thought about what I wanted to say, I decided that I didn’t know what I was trying to say
I think that an expression is worth a thousand words. I think that pictures of people, staged or not, says a lot about what they’re feeling. In my opinion, there is no way that your eyes can lie, and in that sense, I think that a picture can be worth a thousand words. In Lange’s photos, her job was to report on the Depression for farmers, and even though people were staged, their clothes, homes, faces, were not. Her photos bring to life the things that you can’t picture when reading something like Grapes of Wrath. For me personally, after reading the book and seeing the pictures, I can say that I did not imagine the situation to be like what Lange’s was. While reading, I imagined their situation to be not as bad as everyone else. Either way, I think that her images are more striking than the book because we are able to see the faces of people, and that makes the situation that much realer. This is where I disagree with Adam and Gianni for above reasons.
I also have to disagree with Julie and Hannah that a photo needs a description. I think emotions are universal, and descriptions only take away from what I initially think of a picture.
Comment by Olivia Wilson January 31, 2012 @ 1:29 amI think that Dorothea Lange’s photos capture the feelings of the people suffering during the Great Depression. In response to Adam and Gianni, they may have been posed, but the emotions on the faces of the subjects are genuine. While something like The Grapes of Wrath does give one a very good idea of what life was like and how people felt during that time, a photo can provide a very obvious emotion that is representative of how many felt.
Comment by Lydia January 31, 2012 @ 1:55 amIt’s always really bothered me when people say that a picture is worth a thousand words because I feel like it makes it sound as though pictures are more valuable than words, which they aren’t. Pictures are great at capturing and conveying emotions and I agree with Becca that even though a lot of Lang’s photos were posed, the facial expressions and emotions are still genuine. While pictures are a great way to show emotion, I think that words are equally as important. Pictures give us images and let us create the story, words give us stories and let us create the images. The turtle in Grapes of Wrath would not be as moving if it were just a picture, likewise a description of one of Lang’s photos would probably not be as moving were it just a description of the photo. I think that when dealing with history, it is especially important to use both words and pictures as a means of looking at the past. The pictures let us see what things really looked like from an outsider’s perspective and descriptions and first hand accounts let us see what things were like from an insider’s perspective. I think that pictures and words shouldn’t be compared because they both have very different functions and work best when used in together.
Comment by ecantler January 31, 2012 @ 2:06 amI agree that both pictures and words are important and one cannot replace the other. However, I believe that when studying a time in history as impoverished as the great depression, words cannot completely portray how awful the living conditions had been. It’s hard to understand and identify with a group of people who lived before us solely through a bunch of words. It is not until we see an image, such as Dorothea Lange’s photography, that the descriptions and stories we read in ” The Grapes of wrath” become less like fiction and more like reality. Pictures also help us to sympathize with people in ways that words cannot. When we see a photograph such as Dorothea Lange’s where a mother is clutching her baby and dressed in rags, it forces us to think about our own family and what we would do if placed in similar conditions. I do believe that literature is unique in it’s ability to immerse us into a different time period however in order to fully study and comprehend the horrifying conditions present during the great depression we need the aid of a photograph.
Comment by Dana January 31, 2012 @ 3:44 amA picture can, and always will have the ability to be worth 1000 words. It doesn’t mean that they’re always worth 1000 words, though. Pictures are the visual of what is actually seen by the eye, as opposed to a written description. While in Grapes of Wrath we read about the tractors that “thundered when they moved”(35) plowing through the land and knocking into houses, we can actually see the land desolate and broken up in one of Dorthea Lange’s photos. We can read about the hardships that these people had to face in the novel, in textbooks, or even through Hickok’s descriptions, but that’s not seeing the despair on a person’s face or seeing their tattered clothes. To me, that’s what tells the real story.
Julie, I also agree with the fact that looking at pictures forces us to assume certain things, but we also have to assume that what we read is correct. The Grapes of Wrath is fictional, and yet we are drawn in and dazzled by it’s vivid descriptions. A person’s written perception of what happened isn’t always as truthful as a picture can be.
Comment by Eve Comperiati January 31, 2012 @ 4:31 amI think that in general it’s very easy to take the expression “a picture is worth one thousand words” and turn it into something it doesn’t really mean. Sure, a picture can be worth one thousand words. But what words? A picture, for all intensive purposes, is still just a picture. Words have the ability to tell you what was being thought and the emotions that were being felt, and capture much much more than a picture frame can. Words give you the entire environment, the backstory, the present and the future. A picture is only an instant, and is just in general not capable of providing a deep connection like words do.
A picture can give you a crystal clear image of something. It doesn’t leave it up to interpretation because there’s nothing left out of it. When I read Harry Potter, I always imagined Voldemort to be incredibly pale with long jet black hair and empty black eye sockets, and that he was always wearing a deep purple robe. When I saw the movie, it all became clear to me, and there was nothing left to my imagination. “Oh. THIS is what Voldemort looks like.” But pictures are all about the surface, where as words can give you a deeper meaning, and delve into themes and symbols. When a picture is taken of a person, there’s a lot of guesswork about what the person is thinking, but you know exactly what the person looks like. When you write about a person, you know exactly what they’re thinking and what’s going on within them, but you don’t know exactly what they look like. I think for me, that just about sums up how I feel about the expression “A picture is worth 1,000 words.”
Comment by David S. February 1, 2012 @ 5:02 pm